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Fractscient
| Joined: 09 May 2006 |
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 Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:52 pm |
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Hi Gygrazok!
I've been using your 2.04z+ version since around July, I think. When I saw the note here I downladed the 2.05+ version, but haven't had a chance to use it much yet.
I was interested to learn from a post to the Apop email list that you've made it possible to script "variables" in your new version.
This tells me that you're apparently able to work with code relating to scripts in Apop.
If I may, could I request that you apply your talent to see if you could fix some of the crippled script functions?
Some things that don't work properly (which you probably are aware of anyway):
1. Negative symmetry values cannot be applied with scripts.
2. Weight values above 1 cannot be applied with scripts.
3. (Serious) There are inconsistencies between transform values entered with a script and those shown in the Editor window. Specifically, when a script is used to enter values for transforms "b", "c", and "f", the editor window (transform tab) shows the negatives of the values entered with the script. This is easily demonstrated by entering the following six lines into the script editor, pressing F9, and then looking at the transform tab:
Transform.a := 1;
Transform.b := 1;
Transform.c := 1;
Transform.d := 1;
Transform.e := 1;
Transform.f := 1;
It seems to me that I may have noticed a few other broken functions, but if I did, I can't remember them at the moment. (I've taken about a month off from Apop to rebuild my two computers, so I'm kind of out of sync... just like those script functions.  )
If you (or anyone else) could remedy those problems it would be highly appreciated (at least by a few).
I don't want to ask too much though. I'm already grateful for the alternative versions you've released - and for the contributions of all the Apop developers, despite any momentary differences of opinions.
Fred
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Gygrazok
| Joined: 10 Nov 2006 |
| Posts: 31 |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:06 am |
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| Fractscient wrote: |
1. Negative symmetry values cannot be applied with scripts.
2. Weight values above 1 cannot be applied with scripts.
3. (Serious) There are inconsistencies between transform values entered with a script and those shown in the Editor window. Specifically, when a script is used to enter values for transforms "b", "c", and "f", the editor window (transform tab) shows the negatives of the values entered with the script. This is easily demonstrated by entering the following six lines into the script editor, pressing F9, and then looking at the transform tab:
Transform.a := 1;
Transform.b := 1;
Transform.c := 1;
Transform.d := 1;
Transform.e := 1;
Transform.f := 1;
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1) & 2) All right, they are easy to fix and will be fixed in the next z+ release :).
3) I don't know if it's a good idea to correct this, because probably most old script rely on this behaviour, and I prefer to keep backwards compatibility. Besides, maybe it's not a bug, but an intended behaviour. |
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Fractscient
| Joined: 09 May 2006 |
| Posts: 517 |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:35 am |
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| Gygrazok wrote: | | Fractscient wrote: |
3. (Serious) There are inconsistencies between transform values entered with a script and those shown in the Editor window. Specifically, when a script is used to enter values for transforms "b", "c", and "f", the editor window (transform tab) shows the negatives of the values entered with the script. This is easily demonstrated by entering the following six lines into the script editor, pressing F9, and then looking at the transform tab:
Transform.a := 1;
Transform.b := 1;
Transform.c := 1;
Transform.d := 1;
Transform.e := 1;
Transform.f := 1;
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3) I don't know if it's a good idea to correct this, because probably most old script rely on this behaviour, and I prefer to keep backwards compatibility. Besides, maybe it's not a bug, but an intended behaviour. |
Oh wow!! It's extremely cool to see that someone will finally fix the weights and symmetry values problems!  !
As for the transform value thing... that one is very confusing.  There are really three parts to it, I guess. In addition to the difference between script values and those shown on the transform tab, there is also the visual representation in the editor window itself that would have to be considered.
Originally, (IIRC), in Mark's v202, the triangles were even represented differently - they weren't the isosceles right triangles that we see now. (I like the new representation better, but it was very difficult at first.)
It seems that there have been multiple changes made since then, but I couldn't summarize all of those if I tried. My math isn't all that stellar and I'm not sure I even understood (or noticed) all of the changes that have occurred along the way.
I understand your unwillingness to tamper with those transform functions or representations, and you've given a perfectly good reason to leave those alone. But OTOH, I think backward compatibility hasn't ever been preserved for scripts. Every new version seemed to cause problems with my scripts.
I wish I had the skills and software tools that I would need to take a look "inside" myself. But I'm not looking at a learning "curve" there, I'm looking at a learning "cliff". 
... I don't know what's going to happen with scripts and any forthcoming "official, final" version of Apop. I've only seen rumors so far. But if the scripter is retained, I hope there will be better consistency between script values and what's shown in the Editor.
Heheh... it's not the best analogy, but imagine your chagrin if you were to make a deposit (positive value) to your bank account and your statement showed that money was deducted (negative value)! 
Sorry to digress there. Thanks tons for offering to fix those other two glitches!
Fred |
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but i think my math side on this issue will fail pretty badly =)
